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    This comment was made somewhere else and I thought it was unique enough to archive here with my response: “Regarding antioxidants When you cut out carbohydrates and plant foods, your body relies on endogenous antioxidants—compounds that your own cells manufacture internally.

    Glutathione: Often called the body’s master antioxidant. A carnivore diet provides an abundance of the raw amino acids (like glycine, cysteine, and glutamate) needed to synthesize glutathione.”

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      My response: You’re half right, and the half you’ve got is worth acknowledging. Glutathione is real, it’s your master intracellular antioxidant, and your body does make it on demand from glycine, cysteine and glutamate. I’ll even hand you the strongest version of your point: the standard antioxidant assay, the one behind “plants have far more antioxidants than animal foods,” measures ferric-reducing capacity and doesn’t capture sulfur-based antioxidants like glutathione. So that number does undercount one category. Fair.

      Here’s where it falls apart.

      Diet isn’t the bottleneck for glutathione, and plants aren’t short on the inputs. Synthesis is rate-limited by cysteine, which your body makes from methionine, and every whole plant food carries all nine essential amino acids. So you don’t need meat to supply the raw materials. A plant-based eater getting adequate protein has the substrate covered, and I lay that out in full in my protein post.

      Now notice what you’re actually boasting about. Those sulfur amino acids you’re loading up on, methionine and cysteine, are the ones with a downside at high intake. The excess that escapes absorption gets putrefied in the colon into hydrogen sulfide, which is toxic to the cells lining it and associated with colorectal cancer risk. Methionine restriction is also one of the more reliable longevity levers we know of, and plant proteins tend to run lower in methionine, which here is a feature, not a flaw. So “carnivore floods me with sulfur amino acids” is bragging about the exact intake most tied to colorectal risk. You can get enough cysteine for glutathione without the putrefaction load. A legume-centered plate does precisely that.

      And here’s the irony a lot of carnivores walk straight into. Many of the same people invoke the Warburg effect, the observation Seyfried resurrected, that cancer cells guzzle glucose, as their reason to starve tumors of carbs. But glutathione, the very molecule this argument is celebrating, is a huge part of why cancer runs glycolysis so hard in the first place. That glucose flux feeds the pentose phosphate pathway, which regenerates NADPH, which is exactly what recharges glutathione so the tumor can survive its own oxidative stress. So you can’t cheer for glutathione production and against glucose in the same breath, because in the Warburg picture they’re the same pathway. And you can’t actually opt out of it. Even eating zero carbs, your liver makes glucose through gluconeogenesis, which is the whole reason carbs aren’t “essential” in the first place: your body produces it endogenously to keep you alive when intake is low. So the glucose feeding that pathway never goes away. On top of that, cancer is metabolically flexible. Block its glucose and it switches to glutamine, an amino acid abundant in a meat-heavy diet. When researchers knocked out the key glycolysis enzyme in a carcinoma model, the tumors just switched fuels and grew anyway. “Starve cancer of sugar” fails because the cancer changes fuel sources faster than the diet does.

      And while we’re on “carbs aren’t essential,” that talking point quietly amputates the rest of the sentence. The National Academies, the body that actually decides what “essential” means, is the same body carnivores are borrowing the word from, and I cover what they actually recommend in my essentials post. They set carbohydrate at 45 to 65 percent of calories, and the floor of that range, 45 percent, is higher than the ceiling of both the protein and fat ranges, which cap at 35 percent each. The referee they’re citing puts carbs at the center of the plate.

      And here’s what the argument quietly skips. It treats endogenous glutathione as a replacement for what plants provide, but the plants you’re cutting are one of the main things that drive glutathione production in the first place. Sulforaphane, quercetin, the polyphenols in tea and berries all activate Nrf2, the transcription factor that switches on your own antioxidant response, including the genes that build glutathione. That’s human trial data, not theory: randomized broccoli-sprout trials in Qidong, China raised excretion of detoxified benzene by about 61 percent and acrolein by about 23 percent. So cutting plants doesn’t hand the job to glutathione, it removes glutathione’s biggest upstream signal.

      It’s not glutathione versus plant antioxidants, pick one. Plants give you both. They help drive your glutathione production and they deliver an enormous payload of their own. When researchers assayed more than 3,100 foods, plant foods averaged on the order of 64 times more antioxidant capacity than animal foods. That’s flavonols, anthocyanins, carotenoids and a whole spectrum of anti-inflammatory polyphenols that only plants can produce, and that animals can only obtain by eating them. Glutathione is water-soluble and works mostly inside the cell. Carotenoids like lutein and zeaxanthin end up filtering blue light in your retina and are the dominant carotenoid in your brain. They aren’t interchangeable jobs. Saying “I make glutathione” and concluding you’ve covered the antioxidant spectrum is like saying you own a smoke detector so you don’t need a sprinkler.

      Glutathione also doesn’t work alone. It runs in a relay: vitamin E quenches a lipid radical, vitamin C regenerates the vitamin E, glutathione helps regenerate the vitamin C. Vitamin C is near-absent in cooked muscle meat. So even with plenty of glutathione, you’ve pulled out a link the relay needs to keep recycling it.

      And all of this is mechanism, which is the bottom of the evidence pyramid. If cutting plants actually improved your antioxidant status, it would show up in people. It doesn’t. Higher plant intake tracks with lower oxidative stress, lower inflammation and lower all-cause mortality at every tier. When the mechanism story and the outcomes disagree, outcomes win.

      So yes, you make glutathione. But you don’t need meat for the inputs, the plants you’re cutting are what drive glutathione production in the first place, and they bring an abundance of antioxidants on top that your own glutathione was never going to supply.

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